Out of the common market

idlemarvel said:
To answer Rhinochugger Rhinochugger , as I understand it, when buying goods from EU, if it is new goods then you would buy at the price before VAT and then UK VAT is added on, with second hand goods (through eBay) you just get UK VAT added to the offered local price.
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ebay mike said:
Yep, we'll have paid SOME VAT but not necessarily at 20% and possibly not on the whole selling price. That would depend on whether the seller participates in the VAT Margin scheme in relation to some of their sales.
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So, going back to second hand stuff in the UK, that partly explains the low prices offered on collections by the bigger operators, 'cos they have to charge VAT on the re-sale.

I think it's a case of getting used to it and, inevitably (thanks to M Barnier and his pals) there hasn't been a lot of time to understand the changes.
 
Rhinochugger said:
So, going back to second hand stuff in the UK, that partly explains the low prices offered on collections by the bigger operators, 'cos they have to charge VAT on the re-sale.

I think it's a case of getting used to it and, inevitably (thanks to M Barnier and his pals) there hasn't been a lot of time to understand the changes.
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If Mr Bozo and his pals had played nicely with Mr Barnier and his pals maybe a better deal could have been negotiated and we wouldn’t be facing an eleventh hour shambles that we now have.
This is just the tip of the iceberg with a huge can of worms under it.......
 
idlemarvel said:
So, today's purchase is a case in point regarding new rules for buying off eBay in Europe (rounded numbers)
Used item price was €130 plus €15 postage to UK = €145 or £130 using 0.90 conversion rate
eBay adds 20% VAT to price AND postage so VAT on £130 = £26 extra
The price on the item was listed as €145, only when you get the invoice you discover it was €130 plus UK VAT.
Welcome to the new world.
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Buying items outside the EU has been like this for years, new or second hand.
 
If you buy at a UK auction house the seller pays commission plus VAT, and the buyer pays commission plus VAT, these have been the rules since VAT was introduced in the 1970s. Any VAT registered seller has to charge VAT on sales, that is life in the UK (and the EU).
 
JimmyB said:
If you buy at a UK auction house the seller pays commission plus VAT, and the buyer pays commission plus VAT, these have been the rules since VAT was introduced in the 1970s. Any VAT registered seller has to charge VAT on sales, that is life in the UK (and the EU).
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Tis true, many buyers get a shock when they have to pay the final amount. Plus 25 percent at an auction house near me.
 
Just read in a news article that the Netherlands are confiscating ham and cheese sandwiches from British drivers because of the risk of diseases.
I think its funny that 2 weeks said sangas were allowable but not any more.
Dutch customs official told the British driver "Welcome to Brexit".
 
JimmyB said:
If you buy at a UK auction house the seller pays commission plus VAT, and the buyer pays commission plus VAT, these have been the rules since VAT was introduced in the 1970s. Any VAT registered seller has to charge VAT on sales, that is life in the UK (and the EU).
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Depends what is being sold. As far as I know, feel free to say I'm wrong, if the sale has 'Margin' beside it then VAT is levied on the commission part only not on the whole sale. The auction house I often use charges 20% so with VAT on the commission part it means the buyer pays 24% (20% plus 20% of 20%) if it's marked as margin. If it's zero rated like books then there is no VAT on the commission.

Paul
 
Rhinochugger said:
So, I s'pose if we buy something second hand from, say Rail of Sheffield, we've paid the VAT but just don't realise it because it's not shown separately.

So, the reality is to be aware of the on-costs when assessing the value of an item - something we are going to have to get used to for European countries, not just USA & Canada :nod::nod:
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Yes, you have likely paid vat on their markup and they do not need to show it on their invoice.
 
JimmyB said:
Or maybe it was the other way around and Barnier didn’t play nice.
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We left, we didn't have the right to expect the EU to fulfil our expectations.... they gave us more than we deserved...

If there is group of people in a room sitting and discussing something.
Someone gets up, says they do not want to be part of the discussion and leaves the room.
They then come back to the doorway and then ask the others to open the front door for them...
then I think that the person would be bitterly disappointed...

Only some British people could complain about a club not bowing to their whims even though they had left the club for some time. And then complain that it was the club that hadn't played fair....
 
TBH I think think the main problem, no matter which side you're on boils down the the fact that when the question "what happens now?" was asked, instead of getting a fully laid out plan the reply was a resounding "errrrr, aaaaah, mmmmmm, well we're going to err well, you know" etc etc
 
GAP said:
Just read in a news article that the Netherlands are confiscating ham and cheese sandwiches from British drivers because of the risk of diseases.
I think its funny that 2 weeks said sangas were allowable but not any more.
Dutch customs official told the British driver "Welcome to Brexit".
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Have in the past seen a few Australian Customs Tv progs. Many get stopped for importing illegal foods (I imagine sarneys would be just as illegal due to the fillings) and are slapped with big fines, wonder how long before our truckies start getting hit like that when entering EU?
 
GAP said:
Just read in a news article that the Netherlands are confiscating ham and cheese sandwiches from British drivers because of the risk of diseases.
I think its funny that 2 weeks said sangas were allowable but not any more.
Dutch customs official told the British driver "Welcome to Brexit".
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And you are goin to be banned from their cannabis cafes.........
 
dunnyrail said:
Have in the past seen a few Australian Customs Tv progs. Many get stopped for importing illegal foods (I imagine sarneys would be just as illegal due to the fillings) and are slapped with big fines, wonder how long before our truckies start getting hit like that when entering EU?
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Dunny
I went on a holiday to Norfolk Island (old HM penal colony pre Tasmania and now home to the Bounty mutineers descendants) and I went through bio security in and out.
This is an island that is administered by Australia.
No non commercial package foodstuffs or plant material was allowed across the border, I did get a piece of Norfolk Island pine back in because there are no disease that are transferrable by its wood.

Same when I went to NZ we could not take any food or water of the ship (water was OK if it was in a commercially sealed bottle) I am OK with keeping out pests that can ruin our agriculture.

I just am thinking of the irony that on Dec 31 2020 the ham sandwich was legal but on 1 Jan 2021 it was not.
The customs officer main concern was about foot and mouth.
Maybe the UK should start testing for "Mad EU" disease.
 
The ban on importing food into the EU appears to apply to ANYTHING that has originated from an animal (including dairy products) - so all meats and poultry, cooked or otherwise, milk, cheese, butter, eggs and anything that has those items as an ingredient. I have not yet worked out if that also means tinned foods. Consequently Mr caravan/camper van/motorhome/self-caterer will not be able to take their normal supplies with them on holiday when and if we are ever allowed to visit the United States of Europe. You can bet inward non UK travellers will not be subject to similar regulations or treatment.
 
GAP said:
Maybe the UK should start testing for "Mad EU" disease.
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And the EU test for the 'Mad Brit' version has been started already.....

It is ironic that New Zealand (and some other nations) had kept a lid on the pandemic but where there were local 'spikes' it was due to, in a large amount, to Brit tourists importing the virus into said countries...
Mad dogs and Englishmen, we are recognised around the world.

Sure, perhaps the ham sandwich scenario maybe a little harsh, but it is their right to do what they feel is correct.
There are many in UK who seem to still have a 'Empire' mentality where only our rules are the correct ones and other nations' are wrong if they do otherwise.
 
It appears to be any foods are banned from being imported into the eu from the uk, these may include
Danish bacon /ham
Gouda and Edam cheese
German sausage
Italian pasta
Spanish oranges
Belgium chocolates
French cheeses........:D:D
 
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ebay mike said:
Putting tax to one side for a bit:
Dutch police confiscate British driver's ham sandwiches (msn.com)
Time to consider buying stuff that does not originate from the EU perhaps?
Chilean, South African and Australian wines can be quite acceptable. Brie and Camembert were smelly anyway. I wasn't particularly fond of Bols and as I gave up smoking twenty odd years ago, you know what they can do with their Drum tobacco.
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But the Dutch are only applying the deal the UK agreed and the UK applies similar rules on personal imports from some countries. And it's no different from the situation between the UK and the USA, say, over some foodstuffs.

Details on the EU arrangement can be found here: Personal Imports - Food Safety - European Commission
 
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